Crushed By an Idol: Part Two: Menashe’s Argument
Feb 14th, 2011 by Rabbi Simcha Weinberg in Portion of the Week
In Part One we quoted the Talmud: “Menashe made an image as heavy as a thousand men, and every day it slew all of them.” He insisted that the Sages carry it around Jerusalem all day and its enormous weight crushed such a number every day. (Rashi)
I’m trying to picture the scene of Menashe’s weighted idol that crushed a thousand people each day: It must have been huge if it took a thousand people to carry it. Let’s say that people were forced to carry the massive burden under the threat of death. What exactly happened? Did it crush those carrying it all at once? Perhaps people collapsed from the heavy burden. Even if so, that means that people were falling away as the idol was being carried through Jerusalem’s streets. Did it fall every time that a few people collapsed? If all the people carrying it died, how did it make it back to its base?
Was this the same idol that Menashe erected in the Temple? It would have had to fit into the Temple, so it could not have been too large for the Temple gates. That would mean that it was not huge, just very heavy. So, how did a thousand people get under it to lift it? If there were massive bars to carry it; the people would not have been crushed.
Even if we accept that the Talmud is, as is often the case, using hyperbole, what point is the Talmud making?
We then quoted another Talmudic teaching: “R. Yochanan said: At first he made it with one face, but subsequently he made it with four faces, that the Shechinah might see it, and be angry.” If Menashe was attempting to provoke the Shechina we can assume that he believed in the Shechina. Why would someone who believes in the Divine Presence believe that a four-faced idol was necessary to be seen? Could not the Shechina see a single-faced image?
Someone so set on provoking the Shechina’s ire, may be very angry with and resentful of the Shechina, but an angry and resentful person usually believes in the Shechina enough to be angry and resentful. Is the Talmud hinting that Menashe believed?
Our final quote from the Talmud certainly indicates Menashe as a believer: Menashe, when imprisoned, first called upon many deities, and only eventually called upon the God of his fathers. (Sanhedrin 101b) “And when he was in affliction, he besought the Lord his God,” implying that he had prayed to other deities before. ‘If You will not hearken to my prayer,’ he pleaded, ‘of what profit was my turning to You?’ (Yerushalmi Sanhedrin 10:9)
We have Menashe, an angry and resentful believer, attempting to provoke God with an image that he also used to murder his enemies.
I suggest that Menashe was addressing issues outstanding since the sin of the Golden Calf: He was convinced that the sin of the Golden Calf continued to crush Israel almost a thousand years later. The participants in the sin were punished. Israel was given an outlet for the drives that led to the Golden Calf in the Mitzvah to construct the Mishkan. There was punishment. There was redirection. Menashe was convinced that the core issue remain unresolved. He saw that issue, whatever it was, as the cause of all the fluctuations in Israel’s relationship with God, and the suffering that ensued. (The Sages do teach that he was correct; at least to a degree: All of Israel’s suffering over the ages is increased because of the Golden Calf.) The issue that led to the Golden Calf continued to “crush” Israel, as did an issue that followed: How did Israel understand God’s contained anger? Hence, Menashe’s drive to provoke the Shechina’s anger.
Is there a part of God that looks away? (Four faces to the image – all directions) If God indicates that He will look away, how can Israel know when the Shechina will react to their sins?
If Israel’s response to Moshe’s “delay” on Sinai was to make the Golden Calf, how would they react to feeling that God was distancing Himself, His Shechina, from the nation and the land? If the people were so unstable because of their fear of distance, how could they survive when they lived so distant from the Beit Hamikdash?
If the House of God was a redirection of the drives that led to the Golden Calf; did their shame at the sin affect their perception of the Temple? Did it represent failure?
Menashe wanted absolute clarity for the people: “If You will not hearken to my prayer,’ he pleaded, ‘of what profit was my turning to You?” Menashe was explaining, or justifying his drive for idol worship, as the Talmud (Sanhedrin 102b) teaches:
In the college of R. Ashi the lecture [one day] terminated at ‘Three Kings, who do not have a portion in the World To Come.
‘To-morrow, said the Rabbi, ‘we will commence with our colleagues.’
[That night] Menashe came and appeared to Rav Ashi in a dream. ‘You called us your colleagues and the colleagues of your father; now, from what part [of the bread] is [the piece for reciting] the ‘ha-mozi’ to be taken?’
‘I do not know,’ he answered.
‘You have not learned this,’ Menashe jibed, ‘yet you call us your colleagues!’
‘Teach it me,’ he begged, ‘and tomorrow I will teach it in your name at the session.’
He answered, ‘From the part that is baked into a crust.‘
The Rabbi then questioned Menashe, ‘Since you are so wise, why did you worship idols?’
He replied, ‘Were you there, you would have caught up the skirt of your garment and sped after me.’
The next day the Rabbi observed to the students: We will commence with our “teachers” [so referring to the Three Kings].
To Be Continued…
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I’m trying to picture the scene of Menashe’s weighted idol that crushed a thousand people each day: It must have been huge if it took a thousand people to carry it. Let’s say that people were forced to carry the massive burden under the threat of death. What exactly happened? Did it crush those carrying it all at once? Perhaps people collapsed from the heavy burden. Even if so, that means that people were falling away as the idol was being carried through Jerusalem’s streets. Did it fall every time that a few people collapsed? If all the people carrying it died, how did it make it back to its base?
Was this the same idol that Menashe erected in the Temple? It would have had to fit into the Temple, so it could not have been too large for the Temple gates. That would mean that it was not huge, just very heavy. So, how did a thousand people get under it to lift it? If there were massive bars to carry it; the people would not have been crushed.
Even if we accept that the Talmud is, as is often the case, using hyperbole, what point is the Talmud making?
We then quoted another Talmudic teaching: “R. Yochanan said: At first he made it with one face, but subsequently he made it with four faces, that the Shechinah might see it, and be angry.” If Menashe was attempting to provoke the Shechina we can assume that he believed in the Shechina. Why would someone who believes in the Divine Presence believe that a four-faced idol was necessary to be seen? Could not the Shechina see a single-faced image?
Someone so set on provoking the Shechina’s ire, may be very angry with and resentful of the Shechina, but an angry and resentful person usually believes in the Shechina enough to be angry and resentful. Is the Talmud hinting that Menashe believed?
Our final quote from the Talmud certainly indicates Menashe as a believer: Menashe, when imprisoned, first called upon many deities, and only eventually called upon the God of his fathers. (Sanhedrin 101b) “And when he was in affliction, he besought the Lord his God,” implying that he had prayed to other deities before. ‘If You will not hearken to my prayer,’ he pleaded, ‘of what profit was my turning to You?’ (Yerushalmi Sanhedrin 10:9)
We have Menashe, an angry and resentful believer, attempting to provoke God with an image that he also used to murder his enemies.
I suggest that Menashe was addressing issues outstanding since the sin of the Golden Calf: He was convinced that the sin of the Golden Calf continued to crush Israel almost a thousand years later. The participants in the sin were punished. Israel was given an outlet for the drives that led to the Golden Calf in the Mitzvah to construct the Mishkan. There was punishment. There was redirection. Menashe was convinced that the core issue remain unresolved. He saw that issue, whatever it was, as the cause of all the fluctuations in Israel’s relationship with God, and the suffering that ensued. (The Sages do teach that he was correct; at least to a degree: All of Israel’s suffering over the ages is increased because of the Golden Calf.) The issue that led to the Golden Calf continued to “crush” Israel, as did an issue that followed: How did Israel understand God’s contained anger? Hence, Menashe’s drive to provoke the Shechina’s anger.
Is there a part of God that looks away? (Four faces to the image – all directions) If God indicates that He will look away, how can Israel know when the Shechina will react to their sins?
If Israel’s response to Moshe’s “delay” on Sinai was to make the Golden Calf, how would they react to feeling that God was distancing Himself, His Shechina, from the nation and the land? If the people were so unstable because of their fear of distance, how could they survive when they lived so distant from the Beit Hamikdash?
If the House of God was a redirection of the drives that led to the Golden Calf; did their shame at the sin affect their perception of the Temple? Did it represent failure?
Menashe wanted absolute clarity for the people: “If You will not hearken to my prayer,’ he pleaded, ‘of what profit was my turning to You?” Menashe was explaining, or justifying his drive for idol worship, as the Talmud (Sanhedrin 102b) teaches:
In the college of R. Ashi the lecture [one day] terminated at ‘Three Kings, who do not have a portion in the World To Come.
‘To-morrow, said the Rabbi, ‘we will commence with our colleagues.’
[That night] Menashe came and appeared to Rav Ashi in a dream. ‘You called us your colleagues and the colleagues of your father; now, from what part [of the bread] is [the piece for reciting] the ‘ha-mozi’ to be taken?’
‘I do not know,’ he answered.
‘You have not learned this,’ Menashe jibed, ‘yet you call us your colleagues!’
‘Teach it me,’ he begged, ‘and tomorrow I will teach it in your name at the session.’
He answered, ‘From the part that is baked into a crust.‘
The Rabbi then questioned Menashe, ‘Since you are so wise, why did you worship idols?’
He replied, ‘Were you there, you would have caught up the skirt of your garment and sped after me.’
The next day the Rabbi observed to the students: We will commence with our “teachers” [so referring to the Three Kings].
To Be Continued…
Author Info:
Learn & discover the Divine prophecies with Rabbi Simcha Weinberg from the holy Torah, Jewish Law, Mysticism, Kabbalah and Jewish Prophecies. The Foundation Stone™ is the ultimate resource for Jews, Judaism, Jewish Education, Jewish Spirituality & the holy Torah.
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A few thoughts:
1. I believe the C’ruvim, the Cherubs, perched upon the Capoaret atop the Ark of the Covenant, were indicators of the connection, positive or negative , between G-d and Ahm Yisrael.
The Talmud (Baba Batra 99a)indicates when Ahm Yisrael was following G-d’s path the C’ruvim faced each other. When they were not, the C’ruvim faced away.
Interestingly enough, upon the destruction of the Beit HaMikdash and the destroyers entered the chamber of the Holy of Holies, the C’ruvim were intertwined intimately. Perhaps we may understand G-d’s message to us that although we strayed from serving G-d ==> G-d has not deserted us-rather than wipe us out, He took out his anger on the inanimate.
There may even be a deeper message – G-d underscored an old/new concept of portability==>>”v’Ahsoo lee Mikdash v’Shachantee b’toachum”Each one of you may make an individual sanctuary for Me for Me to dwell within you===>> A yid can be at the end of the world and still be so connected to The One Above in the deepest way. Each one of us can experience a daily Sinai revelation experience that does not require a physical locus of “A House of G-d”.
Even so, we pray for the day of the Final Mikdash being rebuilt, for that will signify that Ahm Yisrael has returned to the elevated state of “c’Ish Ekhad, b’Leiv Ekhad” of One Unified People.
Thought #2:
Expanding upon the suggestion of portability mentioned above – instead of ‘visiting’ the Sh’cheenah at the Mikdash, the Temple, G-d sent the Sh’cheenah into exile with the yidn.
With all the trials and tribulations visited upon the yidn spanning the generations of exile, can we even imagine whether Ahm Yisrael would still be extant without the Sh’cheenah’s presence?
Thought #3:
The essence of idolatry is Man’s desire to be in control, to make g-d in his own image (Man’s).
Menashe was afraid of being alone. R’Shlomo was always saying “It’s not how much you love someone when you love – it’s how much you love them when you absolutely HATE them. The absolute WORST situation between people in a relationship is when they enter into the ignoring phase. When you ignore someone, that’s like saying ‘For me- you don’t exist’.
When Moshe didn’t come down from the mountain according to their calculations, Ahm Yisrael must have felt powerful flashbacks to the loneliness they suffered in Mitzrayim.
Any reaction is better than NO reaction.
Similar too must have been Menashe’s line of reasoning. Ironically, one may wonder whether he was trying the method of committing an ‘aveirah lish’mah’, anything to connect to G-d,even if from the negative side. (See various Izhbitser teachings)
Even Menashe’s cry to G-d of “If You will not hearken to my prayer,of what profit was my turning to You?” points to his fallacious notion of what a relationship with G-d constitutes. His notion is the exact opposite of what it should be. Rather than “the reason for my existence is to serve G-d” – I allow for G-d’s recognition so He may serve me!!”
If Israel’s response to Moshe’s “delay” on Sinai was to make the Golden Calf, how would they react to feeling that God was distancing Himself, His Shechina, from the nation and the land? If the people were so unstable because of their fear of distance, how could they survive when they lived so distant from the Beit Hamikdash?
Thought #4:
R’ Simcha raises an important question-
“If Israel’s response to Moshe’s “delay” on Sinai was to make the Golden Calf, how would they react to feeling that God was distancing Himself, His Shechina, from the nation and the land? If the people were so unstable because of their fear of distance, how could they survive when they lived so distant from the Beit Hamikdash?”
The Torah actually alludes to this in Sh’mot 34;24-When the yidn will be far-flung and there will be great distances to be covered in coming closer to G-d,no one will lay claim to that which is yours.
G-d promises He will continue sending each person their own personal pipeline of shefa, abundance.